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Thursday, 11 March 2010

Australian Communications and Cockup Commision

quote [ It doesn't apply to email. It doesn't work with high traffic websites. It doesn't apply to websites that require a password. It doesn't apply to any website that turns on secure HTTP. It doesn't apply to bit torrent. It doesn't apply to instant messaging. ]

[politics] [by Redox@7:06amGMT] [+10 Interesting]

Comments

jaxtraw said @ 7:56am GMT on 11th Mar [Score:2]
Same thing's happening here right now. The "Digital Economy Bill" will force ISPs to disconnect filesharers and "work with the government" against copyright infringement. It gives an enabling power to the government to rewrite copyright law whenever they feel like it without legislation. It extends the odious OFCOM properly onto the net.

One of the Lords pointed out how handy it is that the technology is already in place to block kiddie porn sites, so it'll be easy to block "pirate" sites. But don't worry, there's no such thing as a slippery slope, that's a fallacy you know, oh yes.

I'll be going to the demo on the 24th, though it'll make fuck all difference.

Yay, "progress".

Dalej said @ 5:11pm GMT on 11th Mar
You gona fucking rebbel or not!?

What the fuck is happening in UK goddamit.

bluecalx said @ 5:48pm GMT on 11th Mar
It's happening all over the world, it's not just a UK/US/Australia thing. We may be at the forefront of liberty erosion, but we're not alone.

Dalej said @ 8:21pm GMT on 11th Mar [Score:3 Insightful]

Those signs have been on Polish pseudo-important buildings for over 50 years.

Now that we took them down, UK puts them up.

That's crazier than anyone could imagine.

jaxtraw said @ 6:20pm GMT on 11th Mar
Most of my fellow citizens appear to prefer, or at least to be prepared to tolerate, a government with abritrary powers which manages all aspects of its citizens lives. I do not agree with that, but most of my fellow SEers apparently do, so maybe you should ask them what its advantages are. What the fuck is happening in the UK is known as "social democracy" or, in the USA, "liberalism".

f00m@nB@r said @ 8:27pm GMT on 11th Mar
Just answer the question.

jaxtraw said @ 8:52pm GMT on 11th Mar
So far as I know; no, we're not going to rebel.

Todomanna said @ 10:26pm GMT on 11th Mar
I prefer a government that is capable of enacting the will of the people without having to rely on individual vigilante-esque people to try and fix everything (and inevitably failing). What also needs to happen, though, is that those people that the government must represent doing more than making a vaguely educated guess at the polls every few years. That government also needs to have a certain level of either full transparency or at the very least some sort of WORDGOESHERE that is directly answerable to the general public.

Government isn't the problem; stupid, lazy people are.

Todomanna said @ 10:28pm GMT on 11th Mar
Damn it... stupid instinctual response and horrible memory for words... I'm still waiting on IRC to tell me what the replacement word for WORDGOESHERE is. I'm sure someone will come along and provide it for me. In a horribly condescending way.

Naruki said @ 12:19pm GMT on 12th Mar
I was thinking something like "accountability", but it doesn't fit with the words following.

jaxtraw said @ 10:52pm GMT on 11th Mar [Score:2 Underrated]
I just want to be left alone. I'm just sick to death of wondering every day what I'll read in the news about what the government are going to do to me, or society. What new stupid law they have in mind. They don't need to do any of this. The internet is fine. Leave it alone.

Legislate, legislate, legislate. Law after law after law. And the hordes of special interests; business, activists, zealots and missionaries, all pushing and pulling at each other to get the laws they want.

I just want it all to stop. It's unnecessary. I want people to stop talking about "what the government must do" and start saying, "how about they don't do anything?" No civilisation in history has been so obsessed with passing new laws as ours. It's like an obsessive compulsive behaviour, done for its own sake. There was a newspaper report a few months ago that MPs were disappointed that the government had "run out of ideas" and there wasn't enough legislation in the House.

The business of government is not supposed to be a sausage machine of legislation, but that is what it has become. It's an industry in its own right, keeping busy busy busy to justify itself.

I just want them to fuck off home, break the obsessive compulsion, and stop. We don't need any new laws. We have enough.

Dalej said @ 6:34am GMT on 12th Mar [Score:1 Insightful]
Legislate, legislate, legislate. Law after law after law. And the hordes of special interests; business, activists, zealots and missionaries, all pushing and pulling at each other to get the laws they want.

I absolutely, perfectly agree with that. Well put.

I just want to be left alone. (...) I just want it all to stop.

You will never, EVER be left alone. You're gona have to fight, all your life, to keep your liberties, and you just have to be happy you can do it with a word and not with a rifle.

I see this attitude - im not saying its yours, but it reminded me of it -
"give them what they want, I just want to be left alone". That's a very worrying additude.

teknokracy said @ 7:11pm GMT on 11th Mar
The UK is basically fucked. In every possible way. It's funny how in Canada, where we have no surveillance, no speed cameras, no internet filtering, things are just fine. It might have something to do with the fact that there are criminals and scumbags just walking in to the UK, so MPs and Lords are so scared shitless to criticize anyone from another country that they instead decided to just start lashing down the existing population...

EPT said @ 8:32am GMT on 11th Mar
I've written to my MP about this and received form letters back. Sent back another email saying 'your responses did not answer my questions' and got a 'any further questions feel free to ask'. My MP is in one of the safest seats in the country :/

EPT said @ 8:38am GMT on 11th Mar
Oh yeah, how safe is this seat? Well, for the local council elections there was one major-party conservative and nine major-party left-wingers, all from the same party. I ended up voting independent...

tickaz said @ 10:39am GMT on 11th Mar
Yeah voting sucks - who wants to choose between a douchebag and a cunt? I almost wanna move to New Zealand
The thing with politicians - as i see it anyhow - is they all sold a piece of their soul and sucked a few inches of cock to get where they are.

CapnSilver said @ 11:17am GMT on 11th Mar
I am honestly so very grateful that voting is mandatory in this country.

EPT said @ 12:28pm GMT on 11th Mar
Me too - I'm of the opinion that you may not have someone to vote for, but you definitely have someone to vote against. Besides, I hate it when people mindlessly bitch about politics but can't be arsed spending half an hour on a sunny afternoon every 3-4 years to vote...

v0idmagus said @ 2:19pm GMT on 11th Mar
I've always thought a voting system where you could have either a vote for or a vote against the candidate of your choice. A vote against would negate another person's vote for. In my voting lifetime, never had a candidate I would vote for, but quite a few I wanted to give negative votes.

CapnSilver said @ 10:59am GMT on 11th Mar
Holy shit, what seat is that?

EPT said @ 12:26pm GMT on 11th Mar
Federal Wills (Kelvin Thompson MP), local Moreland (union stronghold, lots of Greeks and Italians. This is the land of the front-yard veggie garden).

EPT said @ 12:26pm GMT on 11th Mar
(ie: Brunswick + surrounding suburbs in Melbourne)

pleaides said @ 10:43am GMT on 11th Mar
I have the same problem

Misanthrope said @ 10:36am GMT on 11th Mar
Great now I have an erection.

nik said @ 12:11pm GMT on 11th Mar
And no website to jerk off to? Pick up a Sears catalogue and turn to the lingerie section. Do they still have Sears catalogues in Australia? Or have the banned those too?

On a more serious note: SWEET FUCKING LORD DOES THIS BULLSHIT PISS ME OFF. I'm a goddamn adult. No one gets to tell me what I can or cannot see. Let me decide.

(Except maybe for child porn, when actual little kids are forced to do stuff. Gotta draw a line somewhere, I suppose.)

zenviper said @ 2:40pm GMT on 11th Mar
but only when they're forced?

Todomanna said @ 5:21pm GMT on 11th Mar
I think you can safely say that anything remotely sexual you would have to mislead or force someone under the age of 15 to get them to do it.

theolypse said @ 9:09pm GMT on 11th Mar
I think you don't know a lot of eleven-year-olds.

Todomanna said @ 10:16pm GMT on 11th Mar
I think you're vastly overestimating eleven-year-olds. Whether they're curious or not, it would still be incredibly scary.

serenitynow said @ 10:57am GMT on 11th Mar
It seems a pretty odd time to be trying to implement it, with an election not far off. More costly isp infrastructure, the cost going to us? It won't last. Look for a roll-back when it's shown to be a white elephant.

serenitynow said @ 12:32pm GMT on 11th Mar [Score:1 Interesting]
from the original article -quote [With such broad opposition and an election looming, one wonders how the policy hasn't already been scrapped.]

Australian Government To Delay Internet Censorship Until After Next Election

looks to be the reason why, here -

http://www.inquisitr.com/55109/australian-government-to-delay-internet-censorship-until-after-next-election/

mcclint said @ 1:45pm GMT on 11th Mar
I'm a little confused. Is the author of the article complaining that the censorship attempts aren't going far enough and wants it to go farther or that it's a waste of time and money because they don't go far enough? It sounds to me like he isn't complaining about the actual censorship.

antares said @ 3:18pm GMT on 11th Mar [Score:2]
For what it's worth, I sent a snail mail copy of the followiing letter to all Australian Senators - thinking that if they kicked the proposed legislation out of the Senate etc, etc...

All replies from Libs have been positive - i.e. Conroy is on the wrong track, all Lab replies have been part of the wame form letter, presumably written by Conroy.

Up until the next election, I'd never voted anything other than Labor. Next time? - Not a hope!

Dear Senator the Hon Insert Name Here,
Senator Conroy's announcement that he is going to force through his ISP internet filtering legislation regardless of industry and community concerns demonstrates a most arrogant and offensive attitude on his part.
This legislation is not supported, either by the internet industry or by the wider community. It doesn't work and it won't fix the problem the Government is trying to solve.
As you are aware, just one of the dangers of the current proposal is that it will give parents and guardians a false sense of security that the Government is protecting their children from unsuitable material on the internet. The Government cannot do this with the proposed filtering framework.
Obviously, the best protection against unsuitable material of this kind is parental supervision and responsibility, education and the use of optional software filters at the computer level.
Conroy's psychopathically obsessive crusade for Australian internet censorship reveals not only his own mental health problems, but a rapidly decreasing level of support for a Labor Government that is proving to be in the hands of vociferous, fundamentalist christian turd-fondlers
Australia is, unfortunately, becoming a technological laughing stock to the world.
Can I suggest that you make your colleagues aware of the comments on Australian news sites, web pages, blogs and twitters. Some 99% of all comments are vehemently opposed to Conroy's filter with a similar ratio of people are saying it’s a vote-changer.
As this legislation is debated, the following questions must be asked in Parliament and in the Senate:
1. Given the trouble, expense, impracticality and unpopularity of this policy, Conroy must have some pretty convincing evidence that children are being constantly exposed to RC material. How was his research conducted and when will it be released to the public?
2. Two-thirds of Internet-connected households don’t have school-age children. Isn’t forcing a filter onto them, as well as Australian businesses, unnecessary?
3. Given the relatively poor uptake of filters by parents in the past, what makes Conroy so sure the Australian people want a filter at a national level?
I urge you to use your vote and your considerable influence to ensure that this legislation is as emphatically rejected by the Australian Senate as it has been by the Australian people.
Yours sincerely

EPT said @ 9:56pm GMT on 11th Mar
Responses from the opposition are always going to be "incumbents are evil child-eaters!". At least sending them letters gives them ammunition.

decreasing level of support for a Labor Government that is proving to be in the hands of vociferous, fundamentalist christian turd-fondlers

Bravo! Although unlikely to win you points from those in the same party, not to mention that the front bench of both major parties have a lot of visible christians. In my letter I said "what do you think will happen when a prick like Abbot gets his hands on it?"

antares said @ 3:20pm GMT on 11th Mar
OK - SAME form letter...

Hemiii said @ 6:33pm GMT on 11th Mar
David Wallace?

teknokracy said @ 7:08pm GMT on 11th Mar
Australia = China?

EPT said @ 9:58pm GMT on 11th Mar
Well, they didn't get google censored for au, so no :)

spyderpdm said @ 1:31pm GMT on 12th Mar
yet... :(